02-02-01
Hello, I am a brother in the Lord and have been at your site. The Lord has used me extensively and I have gone through many things in the past 30 + years since my salvation. One thing is that He has given me the vision of firstfruits, of being an overcomer, a manifested son of God.
I wanted you to know that I appreciated your writing on overcoming porn stuff. This has been the terrible negative in my life that I hate with a passion, but seem unable to get over. Really, there has not been any other writing I could find on the internet about this problem. It is so silly of me. I am happily married over 20 years, yet have that dum thing that bothers me.
I really need a friend in this Noah, and hope that you will be my friend to help me with it all. I want to lay this rebellion down in my flesh, crucify it completely so my heart's desire for the Lord, and for coming out of this Romans' 7 experience will be finally done. I must tell you, that this shames me.
Thanks for your listening ear....
Reply:
blessings to you bro :)
I have gone back and read what I wrote on that page - about a year and a half ago.. to see how "dated" it would be, and how it related to your letter and situation.
now that I revisit, the webpage almost indirectly deals more with masturbation, rather than so much pornography..
since I learned the truth about Jesus, and His seeds - they are life and potential - and how He never lost any of His.. That as His son, my goal is to imitate His life to the greatest degree possible.. since then, I've been very careful not to "squander" this newfound gift and resource.
But PORN is really a different matter..
especially on the internet...
this last summer I found myself clicking on those links.. going to those urls.. man, they really get the blood flowing (which doesn't happen at 43 nearly like it did at 23...)
I guess I've grown sensitive to things over the years, but I felt my "soul" out of harmony.. out of sync.
Then the Lord gave me one piece of one favorite verse that since last Sept has kept me absolutely pure in my viewing selections..
being a fan of the teaching of the firstfruits, you will recognize:
Rev 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.
2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps.
3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.
5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
I guess it just finally hit me one day that looking at porn specifically disqualifies one for firstfruits - or "bride" - status. I realized that verse 4 was happening in my life - I was being defiled by/with women that I was allowing to enter my soul garment..
bro, we've come too far to blow it now.. you know almost 1/4 of the NT is talking about RIGHT NOW (in history)!! we have a grand opportunity, so let us live up to the maturity that we have previously attained..
"if your mouse causes you to stumble, cut it off..."
blessings to you :)
your brother,
Noah
ps write, call or plan a visit anytime. always open to you..
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His second letter:
Noah; I do hope our fellowship may now continue. I really appreciate this
letter. Your the first person to firsthand deal with this matter in my life.
It was so horrid, but so pleasurable to my flesh, yet so ugly to my mind and
heart before the Lord. Heaven went blank, my heart dropped, my fellowship
with God waned. The desire I had for the closeness with Him disappeared. I
am guilty of both those things you mentioned above, masturbation and porn.
The internet makes it terribly easy. It is an act of open rebellion against
the Lord who is my Savior, and it was a complete heresy and hypocrisy on my
part as one that is known as a prophet of the Lord in this area where I
live. Always, out of much head knowledge, I would share the word of God, and
often prophecy would continue to flow through me to others when needed. Yet
there was for this long while this terrible "hidden" sin.
The masturbation part I have had since a small boy. I am now over 40. The porn stuff began
sporadically since I logged on to the internet almost 4 years ago, it was
just too easy. My mouse did offend me, my hand did offend me, the word of
God offended my flesh, my life became a turmoil stuck in Romans 7. It was
just pure plain torture.
BUT, this verse about not defiling myself with
women out of Rev 14:4, that HIT me last night when I first read your email.
Knowing also the great forgiveness of our God, I claim that verse here and
now in agreement with you Noah. It is sort of like the Lord wipes out the
past, restores the years the cankerworm destroys, restores to me saneness in
my mind that I need to come back into communion with HIM. I want to be back
in fellowship with my Savior, I care not for anything else. I LEAVE THIS
PAST BEHIND, FORGETTING IT, as we are told to do.
Please keep in touch with me also. Blessings and thanks so much for
being my new friend,,,
my second response:
AMEN!!
Today is the day to accept your/you're new-ness in Jesus!!
may I suggest to make a serious, concentrated effort to eradicate ANY traces or reminders..
Clear your browser memory.
delete inappropriate bookmarks.
hit start. find. search and destroy any inappropriate keywords, programs or images on your harddrive.
when inviting emails arrive, be diligent to ask to be removed from their lists.
Make it a goal that when Jesus returns for His bride, on one of these soon coming "Feast of Firstfruits", that your harddrive will be found "pure", as well as your heart, mind and soul.
Bro, our understanding is that a foundational reason that Jesus was able to convert His human body into that of an undying, ongoing immortal was the fact that He never lost any of His 'Life Seed.' Numerous verses point to His SAVING it..
He then had that storehouse of seed SUPER CHARGED when His body was resurrected. Then off to heaven He went.. then kicks in:
"That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you." John 16:15
Once you have reached 60 fold status (http://www.dadsdayoff.net/30-60-100.html), it is one of those very Life Seeds, Supercharged, that comes to LITERALLY GROW inside of us. It is light, and it expels the darkness - at the speed in which we allow it to take over.. Here is an excerpt from one of my favorite books:
Much in the realm of plant life, man can successfully graft, so as to drastically modify the fruit, eventually developing a new strain. In surgery, doctors have also successfully transplanted skin, tissues and various organs.this was an excerpt from: http://www.dadsdayoff.net/reincarnation.html - (about half way down the page)Should it then be considered incredible that Almighty God can also make transplants to the end that the downward trend of the human soul should be changed to that of a God-aspiring one? And that the selfsame soul thereby becomes deathless?
This is that of which the apostle wrote: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of INcorruptible thru the word of God which lives and abides forever" (1 Ptr 1:23). Actually, ' born again' is a very poor translation of the Gr Gennamenoi. Far more accurately it could be said 'generated again', or even begotten anew.
I am truly very excited for you :)
your friend
Noah
14 Jan 99
It's been a few days since we have communicated. I have introduced some of
the material from Leland Earl's book to my class and prayer groups. I had no
idea what I was getting into. The traditional "party lines" on end time
events is far more set than I had perceived. Reactions have been all the way
from partial acceptance, to
outright rejection of the various links in the book. On a positive note;
The premises certainly do stir interest that only comes by controversy.
I believe I should hold off placing the books in the hands of all until
the people can
do a little digesting of what they have heard. You were absolutely right in
predicting
a lonely road, for one who chooses to introduce any thing different.
For the past 30 years or so, my teachings have been developed, from what I
believe the HOLY SPIRIT gives to me. A lot of it doesn't fit into the
seminarian's concepts.
This limits student numbers, and does not enhance my image to the
established clergy.
At any rate, I intend to follow the path, I feel the SPIRIT leads. The 3
Comings has made me look beyond the 17 links into other events, I had not previously
veiwed as prophetic. e.g. "The water into wine" That's a good one to start
on.
Thank you for your help and prayers
Bill M.
Dear Brother Noah:
San Diego
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19 Dec, 1999
Dear sir,
Sincerely yours
Dec 25, 1999
Because of Calvary,
Pastor Fernando D. Impang,Jr.
I was able to visit your websites and all your
message is very interesting.
My name is Pastor Fernando
D. Impang,Jr.presently ministering in the province of
Bohol
I`m very interested of your messages,can you sent
me even the used book you print or 2nd hands materials
that i can study and researce,
I was bless of your websites so extend your vision
to our nation the Philppines,we need your help and
your revelation in this last days.
Thank your so much of your kind consideration to
these letter.
Pastor Fernando
... PHilippines
DEar Brother Noah Russell,
Happy Millenium,We are experiencing little war
on our province against therebels in the mountain,8
policemen die in the spots and some rebels also,this
is the fullfilment of the Gospel of Matthews 24.
and through this many filipino people got
afraid,and find refuges,and we have message of the
hour,thank God for this situation,through this war,we
can be a witness to them.
We need your jprayer,Thanks you much of your
burden to us and your love you extent to us and my
family.Your a blessing to me ,and you are close to our
heart,We love you and we are praying for you.
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Sep, 1999
One of our critics - from the website of Phil Johnson
Dad's Day Off
The Webmaster at "Dad's Day Off" is a black-belt master at ripping proof-texts from their contexts to lend artifical credence to his views. He sneers at his theological critics: "With the mountain of evidence that is provided herein from the Bible, are you sure that you want to 'blacklist' my website?" Well, let us be the first to offer an emphatic "YES!" "Dad's Day Off" is a good signpost, however, to remind us that armchair theology and Internet access can be a deadly combination.
One struggles to find words to express the Really-Deep-Down-Badness of this site. Let's just say it is b-b-b-b-bad to the bone. This guy hates the doctrine of the Trinity, insists there will be no everlasting punishment of the wicked, and is convinced the epistles were included in the New Testament canon by mistake—just to name a few of his more glaring errors. Things only get worse from there. Here's a statement from one of his articles: "It was not necessary for Jesus Christ to come to earth, in physical form as a man born of woman, in order for man to gain preservation for his soul. Practice under the Mosaic Law, if followed faithfully, was quite adequate and effective to accomplish 'soul saving.'" Obviously, that flatly contradicts Hebrews 10:4; Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16—and scores of other biblical statements that point to Christ's atonement as the only way anyone can be saved.
Greetings in the Name Above All Names, The Lord Jesus Christ.
In your daring expose' of my website (www.dadsdayoff.net), I began wondering who the "black-belt" really is...
To prove one of my "worse glaring errors" you quoted:"It was not necessary for Jesus Christ to come to earth, in physical form as a man born of woman, in order for man to gain preservation for his soul. Practice under the Mosaic Law, if followed faithfully, was quite adequate and effective to accomplish 'soul saving.'" (Lev. 17:11, Ezek. 18:4)
And then you chastise me with: "Obviously, that flatly contradicts Hebrews 10:4; Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16—and scores of other biblical statements that point to Christ's atonement as the only way anyone can be saved.
But Phil, why did you fail to point out to your readers that the very next verses, same paragraph read: "Jesus came and sacrificed to bring about a new and improved covenant. The old contract was washed out by his death. He was the Yahweh of the Old Testament who made the earlier covenant, and the old covenant could not be valid after His death. Jesus came to offer undying and also glorified life for the physical body - added to preservation for the soul."
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with that theology? To say that the ordinances that God laid down for the people under the Old Testament were adequate for their time. And when God changed the plan, then the old was no longer acceptable. It was now, "the new way, or NO way"...
That one might get you promoted from "black-belt" to Master of Sleight-of-Hand (or mouse)...
Then you quoted me:
"With the mountain of evidence that is provided herein from the Bible, are you sure that you want to 'blacklist' my website?" Well, let us be the first to offer an emphatic "YES!"
Well we certainly shouldn't let a little thing like evidence, or logic, or patterns of truth to get in the way of our precious orthodoxy / paradigm. A few verses to ponder:
2 Cor 3:14
But their minds are made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant (their orthodoxy) is read. It has not been removed...
Mat 15:9 ...their teachings are but rules taught by men...
Jer 8: 8,9 How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?
Rev 3:17,18 You say, `I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.
Isa 48:6,7
You have heard these things; look at them all. Will you not admit them? "From now on I will tell you of new things, of hidden things unknown to you. They are created now, and not long ago; you have not heard of them before today. So you cannot say, `Yes, I knew of them.'
No offense intended, but I know that you cannot even consider most of the truths presented on my website. The proverbial "snowball in hell" would stand a better chance!
Why?
The bottom line - it would eventually jeopardize your job and position. (assuming you still work for GTY)
Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate the publicity that your site has thrown my way. I hope that you will continue to display the links.
How about John MacArthur? Would he, based on NEW revelation (Mat 13:52) change his position on a scriptural topic? He is the 5th generation of pastors in his family? I can hear it now: "Your great, great, grandpappy didn't see that verse THAT WAY... " His entire life, family and work, is based on continuity. Change is not an option.
And no disrespect intended. I have all the respect in the world for brother John. I used to belong to his tape lending library, and a subscriber to the booklets corresponding to the current radio teaching. I love him as a brother with all my heart. He's THE MAN!!
But once I met Mikkel Dahl, I decided to:
Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are.
1 Cor 5:7
Peace in Jesus
Noah Russell
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18 Dec, 1999
I have an issue to challenge you on. I do appreciate the content of your site; however, I am dismayed to see that you, like so many others, take the position that abortion is wrong, except in the case of incest/rape. To me, that is like saying that one life (conceived under more "ideal circumstances") valuable, while the life of the child conceived under these less-than-desirable circumstances is not. I myself happen to be a child conceived of rape. I can personally attest that God wanted me here on this earth and had a plan for my life from the beginning. I have three beautiful children (surely they were meant to be here, too!). I feel I have something to offer others, partly because of the unique way I came about. Of course, my wish is that no woman would ever have to go through the trauma of a rape or incest. But let me plead with you...If a pregnancy does result...Please do the unborn child a favor and consider giving him or her life!!! There is no denying it; the act of rape is repulsive. But we (the children of rape) are not. We deserve life, too.
Hi Jennifer,
thank you so much for your post about abortion & rape at
===>>>> www.dadsdayoff.net
My hat is totally off to you!!!
You see, however many years ago, when 'you guys' were looking down from heaven and saw this unfortunate and most difficult situation: A pregnant rape victim - Trauma, shock, violation, theft, pain!!! And the forecast for the fetus - more of the same.
I can hear it now, the cry goes out, the bulletin board in heaven reads:
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"VOLUNTEER NEEDED" - Rape victim on earth (USA) is carrying a viable fetus and needs a volunteer spirit child to live this life. Nice location in central USA. Extra credit for volunteer at the end of the project. Apply in spirit, ready to leave.
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You never know...
I wrote a quick little page about how God strategically places spirits according to His wisdom:
======>>>>>>> www.dadsdayoff.net/placesspirits.html
Even if volunteering was not the case, there is another way of looking at the sequence of events, and possible alternatives.
According to brother Wolcott (who wrote that article), the spirit enters the fetus at around 10 weeks ("the life is in the blood"), and most abortions occur from 12-20 weeks.. so in this situation, the now "free" spirit child would simply get back IN THE FRONT OF THE LINE - NEXT to recieve a(n appropriate) human body.
Of course none of us knows the exact mechanations of heavenly policy, but what we do know is that His LOVE TIDE for us His children is the one CONSTANT in this universe - our growth and maturity His ever present concern - JUST AS WE FEEL AND DO FOR OUR CHILDREN!!!
blessings to you, dear sister :)
NR
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16 Dec, 1999
Greetings!
please check my website:
http://members.theglobe.com/km
Do you believe in/teach ultimate reconciliation--
Cheers,
Tony Salmon
Hi Tony,
absolutely!!!
I am the father of 4, and I don't believe that I am going to "lose" any of them. How incredibly blind people are to think that our heavenly father is about to lose 5 out of 6 of His... (6 billion people on the earth, 1 billion christians)
And then there is the issue of the quality of commitment from those 1 billion in the family...??? kinda shakey..
Did you catch the meaning of the title of my website?
www.dadsdayoff.net/intro.html
It works in very well with UR's (universal reconciliationist thinking)
along with the fact that people don't fry in hell forever and ever
www.dadsdayoff.net/eternalhellno.html
these concepts untie God's hands from having to bring us, His children to complete maturity and full spiritual stature in the 70 years of life here on earth, which equates to about 5 minutes of life on the spiritual plain... these ideas give Him more TIME with which to grow His children and bring us to maturity..
Where do you stand on the rapture issue? All Christians going the first time, or just a handful of prepared ones? please consider www.dadsdayoff.net/returns.html
Thanks for writing. please stay in touch :)
16 Dec, 1999
Tony Salmon,
How you see it?
Cheers,
Hi Noah!
Umm...I don't believe in a rapture...I believe that His "coming"
(parusia...presence) is manifested in us as we manifest His likeness and
become LIKE Him. I believe His coming is progressive in us as we become
"partakers of His divine nature". "He was found in fashion as a man..."--He
became what I am that I might become what He is. The Son of God became the
Son of man so that the sons of men might become the Sons of God--As He is,
so are we in this present world. I believe that ultimately all the kingdoms
of the world will become become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ.
Tony Salmon
bro, it only takes 2 witnesses to identify. This has 3 (at least)!!!
mat 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 42 "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.
Rev 14:3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
I know, I didn't need to put verses 4 & 5 in there, but they add to the context..
Jesus hits the same idea twice from 4 different angles. Then revelation comes and answers His prophecy. And a bit more veiled (although not really when understood):
Rev 12:5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
This again is reference to the immediate taking away of the "firstfruits company" to begin the 31/2 year tribulation period.
The most thorough research on the subject, I think, is Leland Earls booklet "The Three Comings Of Jesus". It is one of the most impacting books I've ever read, I pray that it speaks to you :)
www.dadsdayoff.net/returns.html
His Best To You :)
NR
17 Dec, 1999
Dear Noah,
I am thankful for brethren like you who are willing to fellowship in Christ
even if we do not see everything "eye to eye". It's good to share and pour
from vessel to vessel...I am a compound of every true brother I have ever
met!
I believe the "2 men in one bed" speaks of our dual natures...sef and Christ, bed being our "terms". We believe the one taken away is the man (or nature) of sin that we can awaken in the likeness of Christ. The types given in Lk 17 is that of Noah and Lot--in both of these situations the wicked were taken and the righteous were left. If it were the other way around Jesus could have used Elijah or Enoch in which the righteous were taken and the wicked remained (not to imply that EliSHa was wicked...only the generation in which he lived). I believe the two women represent the duality of the soul. James that a double minded (greek--doubled souled) man is unstable in all his ways. I believe we stop being doubled souled when we lay our will down completely and become a whole burnt offering to the Father. Jesus said that if our eye be single, and the eyes are the window of the soul, then our whole body is full of light. Again..2 men in one field...I believe the field is the harvest...at the wedding invitation one said that he could not come because he had bought a field which he had never seen.
I believe the 144,000 represent the overcoming company who rule and reign with Him in the Earth. i believe this is the same company described as the man child in Rev.12, a Benjamin company who are cought up to God and His throne as soon as he is born (he was fully matured at birth). I believe the woman is the church giving birth to a man child...the Father catches them up because they have been rejected by the church. This is typified in the birth of Benjamin...Rachel calls his name Benoni (son of my sorrow) and dies in the wilderness. the Father immediately picks this child up and says, "Your name shall not be the son of sorrow, but Benjamin, son of my right hand!" Because of rejection from the traditional church world, we've had no choice but to let our Father pick us up--this has caused us to walk in a higher realm of Spirit than we have ever known even though our feet our on the ground. We are part of a Melchisedec priesthood, a Kingdom of Priests who are in training to rule and reign with Him as He through us touches creation to set man free.
Lord bless you, brother,
Tony
20 Dec, 1999
Noah,
I used your analogy "Dad's day off" while preaching in Baltimore, MD
yesterday to illustrate the father coming into His rest. That is a very
good word picture to help people who are just learning about His rest/feast
of tabernacles.
Thanks,
Tony
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Dec 14, 1999
Randy Brintnell
Why do you need to have everything explainable in human terms? (flood of
Gen., Virgin birth)
Isa 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD
Luk 12:57 "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?
Mat 25:26 ...wicked, lazy servant! So you knew ...
From what I can tell, we are SUPPOSED to use the grey matter that He gave us. Where does it say to bend over and take whatever our great robed ones tell us...???
didn't Jesus personally warn us about bowing to tradition?
Mat 15:6 you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: "`These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'
God does not have to play by human rules.
isn't that why He plunged from the heavenlies, to "play by human rules"?? and show us how it's supposed to be done?
With God all things are possible.
yes, but He doesn't/won't violate His own rules, right?
In reading you site, I think I have personally witnessed the beginnings of the apostate church.
sorry bro, that happened the very minute that Rome stopped persecuting the church, and instead welcomed it as her own!! that triggered a period of the most blinding darkness to ever envelope planet earth since the black curtain enshrouding our Lord Jesus at the time of His death.
Jesus said:
John 9:4 As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."
then He said:
Mat 24:30 They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
He leaves - darkness.
He returns - light.
The sunrise does not happen suddenly, but gradually you see the new days sun light chase away the dark. Dads Day Off (www.dadsdayoff.net) is a signpost that more light is emerging - the time of His return is near!!
Remember that contrary to what is currently taught, the sign of a teacher of truth, according to the Lord Jesus, is that He brings out of the storehouse treasures NEW & old... Mat 13:52
I know that this is all a bit much to swallow all at once.. but when Jesus returns, do you think that He will neatly fit into all of the little mental boxes that you (and I) have put Him into? NO!! He will SHOCK all of us - He already predicted it:
Luk 24:25 He said to them, "How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!
The bad news: that verse applies to you and I. The difference between orthodox christianity and me? I acknowledge that this verse applies to me, personally!!! And so I spend my time trying to UNapply that verse.
May the Lord Jesus give you the curiousity to find Him and His truth :)
NR
Randy #2
If some of the stories in the bible can be disconted, then why can I not then discount the entire thing?
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever."
bro, we just want to get rid of the parts that man has added, which Jesus predicted would happen anyway - no big surprise here!!
Do you want to know which parts of the Bible to keep? Here it is:
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
The Law and the Testimony.. that's it.
I personally do not believe that I evolved
from a fish or out of some primordial soup. I'm not sure that the world is
as old as the "scientists" say it is.
Where did that date system come from? Carbon dating is the only thing near
accuracy and anything older than 60,000 years(so the scientists say) can
not be dated. Not enough radioactive carbon left to measure beyond that
age. Also anything that has been underwater, lived underwater, or anything
that has eaten anything that lived in the water can not be accurately
carbon dated. So what are we left with? Some guy says that this layer of
rock is this thick and represents so many years.
The big bang therory supposedly happened some odd trillion years ago. How
do they know that? Futher more the Second Law of Thermodynamics says that
everything moves toward entropy (or chaos). ( I'm a chemical engineer)
How can I possibly believe
that there was this massive explosion (chaos) that eventually became this
ordered universe, where we can describe almost every phenomina with a
mathematical equation (extremely ordered). If I don't believe that God
flooded the world in Gen., then how am I supposed to believe that he broke
the Second Law of Thermo.
yowsa, I hope you're not putting me in any of that? My 4 kids have been home schooled in the most fundamental Christian principles and truths since they began. I was reading Gish and Creation Science material in '80
one of my favorite proofs is the "small dust level" on the moon. do you know that they were anticipating up to 50 feet deep of dust on the moon - billions of years of buildup. Instead they found 4 inches - about 6000 years of buildup. makes all the sense in the world - part of His process of readying the world for the next "work week" is to "blow off" the moon. clean start every week..
I think what is called science today takes as much faith to believe as the stories in the bible. I just don't think that things that happened in the bible need to be decribed in so called scientific mediums if one has faith.
yes, but isn't it even more beautiful when the Bible truth dovetails with physical and historical truth?
For instance: Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden in 4000 bc. We have uninterupted Chinese history going back almost exactly that far, which runs in perfect parallel with the old testament. Isn't it interesting that Chinese history reports a large regional flood in the area of Israel at around the same time as Noah's flood...?
please read brother Dahl's account of the flood carefully - www.dadsdayoff.net/flood.html and tell me if it is criminal to not follow orthodoxies "all mountains were covered"
you see, up to now, the only choice you had was to believe that it covered all, or prove total stupidity by claiming that it didn't happen at all.. How about a logical, explainable, understandable explanation...? And dovetailing with the Chinese - I think adds power and faith to the whole story :)
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Dec 12, 1999
starfish
This website is the most bizzare I have ever been on. It is stranger
than Art Bell's website. Where do you find "first, second and third
class salvation" in the Bible?
Re: This is strange stuff.
Hi Mr. Starfish,
Please forgive me for taking so long to answer your letter.. I didn't know if you were serious in asking these questions or just giving me a hard time... well, I decided that it didn't matter :)
http://www.dadsdayoff.net/30-60-100.html
First, second and third is simply saying that "salvation" is a process that occurs in stages, as does maturity in human physical growth - so it is the same with the growth of the human spirit. It is not just the black and white / saved vs condemned. Jesus made reference to the 30, 60 and 100 fold return on God's word as it goes out:
Mark 4:8 Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, multiplying thirty, sixty, or even a hundred times."
and again, he gives a three step process in the growth cycle:
27 Night and day, whether he sleeps or gets up, the seed sprouts and grows, though he does not know how. 28 All by itself the soil produces grain--first the stalk, then the head, then the full kernel in the head.
Also, what do you mean by "Dad's Day Off"?
from www.dadsdayoff.net/intro.html
In Genesis 2:2, God reveals to us His schedule. It says that He worked 6 days, then took a day of rest from His work of creating. That was, and continues to be His schedule.
Then another spiritual principle kicks in: things on earth are a reflection of the heavenly. This earth realm is a reflection of the "heavenly" realm. "...on earth as it is in heaven" and "let Us make man in Our IMAGE..." Sure enough, God's principle of dedicating the 7th day to rest and re-attunement, made it into the 10 commandments - it's # 4, and has the LONGEST explanation of any of the 10... . Although Americans currently give little more than lip-service to the Lord's Sabbath, it is clearly a part of our culture and heritage to be busy with work for 6 days, then to set 1 day aside to "rest".. Next we need to ask; "What does God consider a "day"'?
Psa 90:4 "For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by..." And repeated in
2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. "
So how long is God's "day"? It's easy to see that it's what we call "One Thousand Years"...
So now count with me for a moment; from now back to Jesus is almost 2,000 years, or 2 "days", right? Then according to Jesus' lineage, Adam's mortality (or his booting out of Eden) was almost exactly 4,000 years before Jesus, or 4 "days". So let's add it up.. 2 days, plus 4 days = 6 days. 6,000 years = 6 "days".
In essence, today's date would most accurately be shown as May, 5999. We are now 5,999 years after the date when God began His "work week" by orchestrating the events that led to Adam's booting out to the 'east'. We are nearing the end of this 6,000 year period of time.
So what happens after the sixth day? The seventh day is His day of rest. It's the SABBATH, or His DAY OF REST!!! Please do not fool yourself into thinking that He will skip His rest day. Don't for one moment consider that He would work "as usual" during His scheduled day of rest. In the strongest of language that I can declare; It won't happen! HE WILL NOT WORK on His Sabbath of Rest.
The Bible speaks many times of eternal damnation; how dow you deny it?
since, like you say, "many times" it is mentioned, then the answer must address every instance, right? If you are really interested in seeking the truth, then please examine each and every instance as analyzed in the booklet "Heaven & Hell".... my entire "case" is contained in this document.
www.dadsdayoff.net/hhindex.html
I would be very interested in hearing your view after evaluating this document.
Please e-mail me and explain. Thank you.
thank you for your interest :) May Jesus' best blessings be yours!!
NR
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Dec 5, 1999
Dear Brother in Christ:
I just found your webpage. I am currently teaching a class on the subject of
eschatology. We find two differing opinions on who will go up in the
rapture, and who will be left behind to endure or perish in the tribulation.
GOD bless you and thank you for your time
Bill M
I would appreciate your opinion as to whether all living Christian's will be
caught up, or the unfaithful and unprepared will be left.
Hi Bill,
I always assumed that all followers would be taken.
But Leland Earls pretty well decimated those thoughts!!
his booklet "The Three Comings of Jesus" leaves no room, in my mind, for the "lollipop and ice cream on the merry path to heaven to take a seat on Jesus' lap" story...
His book in it's entirety: www.dadsdayoff.net/returns.html
after studying his 17 bible examples, it's hard to see how any other conclusion can be drawn (except for the fact that it does not make folks feel good like "we're all goin' the first time" scenario)
I've put a few other points on this subject at www.dadsdayoff.net/pretribrap.html and www.dadsdayoff.net/howlongtrib.html
Bill, I pray that the Lord Jesus will bless you with HIS understanding :) your brother, Noah
Bill #2
Thank you for your prompt reply. I find the booklet "The three comings of
Jesus" to be exactly what the Holy Spirit has been speaking to me, for some time. My
teaching of ; only part of the church raptured with the dead saints, has
caused a lot of disagreement in our class membership. Your words and
references only speak to me of the faithfulness of His great Holy Spirit.
WOW! what a confirmation!
Yes, I expect to continue in this theme, and make the publications you sited
available to the class members. If you hear a loud explosion coming from
**** Christian Fellowship, please don't be surprised.
This doctrine is contrary to most of Christendom's understanding, including
our fellowship. The Lord rescued me from sin over fifty years ago, and Leland
Earls book has more scriptural support, than any I have read or heard about.
Thank you again. May our Wonderful Lord reward you for your effort.
Bill M
Dear Brother Noah:
San Diego County, CA
WOW is right!!! Bill, I am very encouraged by your resolution to follow the Jesus and the leading of the Holy Spirit!!
yes, sir, I do know what those explosions sound like - we just about tipped oceanside into the pacific back in 1993 when we began asking our longtime friends at **** Chapel in Oceanside about these 'issues' as they were just being introduced to us... KABBBBOOOOMMM!!!
Recalling those events puts us somewhere between laughing and crying.. and just feeling sorry... I don't know exactly who to blame - the devil is always easy to blame.. "tradition" is easy point to, but who is he? I can't shake his hand (nor smack him upside his head to get some sense in there).
Sounds like you are fixin' to embark upon the "narrow path, which few travel"
Don't be surprised if along this path you also hear His words: "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you." mat 5:11-12
Of course we have always been taught that it was the pagans who would be doing the insulting and persecuting, right? but he pretty well clears that up by adding "for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you"... the people who persecuted the prophets were GODS PEOPLE!!!
If it is any consolation to you, we will be there with you in our prayers for you (we used to get the feeling that we were "all alone")
If it would help I can mail a hard copy of the booklet, then you can make copies if you'd like...
Also a couple of other pages on my site on the subject that I forgot to mention yesterday:
www.dadsdayoff.net/firstfruits.html - then that will link you to
www.dadsdayoff.net/ffturn.html - excellent article from 1905..
perhaps you'll take comfort in a verse that saw me throughout was isa 30:26 ... the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds HE inflicted.
May the blessings of the Lord Jesus be Yours :)
NR
21 Dec, 1999
Bill #3
Thank you Brother, for your prayers and concern. You were absolutely right
about the negative responses I could expect from other Christians. e. g.
"That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard." "Where in the world did you get that
crazy idea."
"That's not what we believe and have been taught." etc. etc.
Traditional concepts seem to be the same today, as they were the blinders for
the scribes and pharisees in JESUS' time. How many other false hopes plague
our church community? The task is much greater than I had imagined, but I
do find a few who have at least partially open minds, will pray about it,
study the related scriptures and come to conclusions of truth.
I find, we must get back to the foundational living WORDS of JESUS on the
subject, and build from there. With the LORD'S help, that's the path I
intend to take.
Thank You Again! for the LIGHT you have sent my way. May our wonderful LORD
bless, prosper and keep you in the New Year, is my prayer
Bill M
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Nov 21, 1999
Did You not forget something in your lecture about the flood. Of course You did:-) anybody would do that;-) If the water had gone to the top of the mountains, it would have included more water than there is in the oceans, You say. But God had to get rid of the water, after the flood. He did so, by folding up the mountains, and deepening the bottom of the oceans, likewise. Therefore, as evidence, You find, seashells high on the mountains of the Alps. Greetings Jens Erik
sorry it took awhile, but I finally clicked my brain into gear... it is amazing how the extreme complexity of this situation, is solved with utter simplicity:
It is true that there are sea fossils on the tops of mountains. The Alps, the Andies, the Rockies, etc.
Noah's flood happened around 1650 AM (after Adams mortality - or being kicked out of the garden) or about 2350 BC. Now do you think that the fossils on top of the mountains were there in 2350 BC? You know, that was only 4350 years ago - not really THAT long ago...
It seems to me that by almost any measurement available, those shells have been there for a very long time. What we find on the mountaintops today may have sat there for hundreds of thousands or even millions of years. Back in the misty eons of pre-Adam earth, who knows how long ago Almighty God brought forth the earth, sun, moon and stars?
When you mention "folding up the mountains, and deepening the bottom of the oceans" - I AGREE!! I agree that He did exactly that. But if all that was happening in 2350 BC, you would think that the other people living on the earth would have felt something? It just seems like those major, earthwide remodeling jobs happened before man came on the scene, a mere 6000 years ago...
don't forget, the Chinese have an unbroken traceable history back before the flood. In fact, it is recorded in their history that there was a great regional flood in the area of Israel and the Middle East in the exact period of time that Noah had his flood!!!
You see, we are simply talking about 2 separate time periods, being confused for one another. The shells and fossils were placed there during one of His remodelings of the earth, while the flood of Noah was a regional event, designed to:
A. portray God's faithfulness and unchangability
B. establish and continue Biblical patterns
C. give us an example of a faithful servant, verses the foolish.
D. to confuse the "wisdom" of modern Christiandom, and to perpetuate 2 Cor 3:14 into this very day.
thanks for your thoughtful contribution, I'd love to here back from you again :)
Noah
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27 Oct, 1999
Mike Thomas
So I can do what I want cause in the end I will be made to bow anyway..
just depends on what kind of son one chooses to be - faithful or prodigal... again, you choose whether you will volunteer or require a boot on the back of the neck...
Thanks, you have taught me that I don't have to serve Jesus to go to heaven,
the kingdom of heaven is for the HERE & NOW, and yes Jesus is required..
all I have to do is endure Hell for a while hmmm....
1 Cor 3:10-15 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
sounds like each and every one of us are headed there. I'm planning for it. according to this passage, our daily actions will determine our "stay"...
So whats the use in getting saved in the first place huh??
bro, the word really means "preserved". Jesus wants to bring preservation to your body, soul and spirit. that's a lot different than saying a magic phrase that mysteriously gets your ticket punched.
I'm gonna live how i see fit...
you're right - Jesus asks; "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right? Luk 12:57
I'm gonna go tomorrow and get me a prostitute and have all kinds of filthy forications, for you said it yourself...
if you do that, then you will be missing out on what it is that Jesus wants to save - your seeds (He never lost ANY of His, and He is supposed to be our role model) In the end we all will be made to bow to Jesus...
In the end, we will all WANT to bow down to our dad, just like the prodigal son - you choose to make it hard or make it easy.
Frankly I really don't care what Hell is gonna be like cause' I don't plan on goin there...
that 1 cor 3 sequence would seem to indicate differently...
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7 sep, 1999
Greetings in the Wonderful Name of Jesus!
I was looking over your site, to which I found many wonderful articles
and messages. I thank you for your work and effort. I do have a few
comments on a few things that you stated.
I read your article on the trinity and found it interesting. I was
amazed to discover that Arius and true Arianism teaches that Jesus
Christ was begotten of the Father before the ages or "begotten, but not
created". That Christ was and is God was affirmed by Arius and his
followers, however He was not God the Father, nor a demigod, or a
separate deity, but the two together formed what is known as deity .
Essentially that is the thought I see behind your concept, then again
this could be an incorrect assessment which leads me to the next
statement.
In one of your articles I believe it was the "Individuality of the
Father, Son and Holy Spirit", you allow for the word "Elohim" to be
translated as "Gods" in regards to God the Father and Son. I feel that
this allowance robs the meaning of "there is only One God" as emphasized
in the scriptures. Though elohim is plural, it is a word that is
pluralized either by deities or by excellence of powers or attributes.
The word is so translated as God, god, gods as the context will permit
it, but never for the One True God is it ever pluralized. This would
undermine the concept of "one God".
What are your thoughts if you don't mind sharing?
Mitch M
bro, the whole confusion is in the term "God".
we use it erroneously as a TITLE - or a name. therein lies the error, for "God" is a POSITION!!!
this truth is brought forth in the next in that "series" as I have them arranged on the website:
====>>> www.dadsdayoff.net/whowhatwhere.html
this booklet "God: Who? What? Where? has been one of my favorites - I've read it probably a dozen times. I have found it to be essential reading in my quest for understanding.
will you please let me know if this booklet clarifies this point, or cloudies it for you?
your friend in Jesus
Noah
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7 Sep, 1999
Dear Sirs!
I read with pleasure your article "Eternal hell, No" and I like it a lot.
I think that is a fresh view on this problem.
But you still remain on the postition that reicarnation is unacceptable
from the biblical point of view.
Hi Bob L,
thank you for this kind and thoughtful letter :) glad to see that someone out there is THINKING!!!
actually, we do believe very strongly in what we call "RE-ASSIGNMENT", and can be read about at www.dadsdayoff.net/reincarnation.html
But let me to point at the following contradiction: Classical Christianity claims that each soul is created by God immediately before the birth of the person. It means that all disasters and also illnesses in the life of the person were assigned to him/her by God. But in gospels there we can find that each time Jesus cured somebody he told him something like: "Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."
It is what I call "writing your own STORY" - we all write our own stories, Jesus was counceling them to start writing differently than what they had previously been doing - for your own good...
yes, and how about "who sinned, this man or his parents that he was BORN BLIND???". I agree with you wholeheartedly.. the spirit within man has been around a very long, long time.
the idea of God only having 70 years or so to bring us his children to complete maturity and full sonship is stupid - it ties His hands and limits Him. If we understand that this earth-plain is His ultimate "schooling" experience and that it takes the completion of many lessons and "grades" in order to graduate.. it will take many "70's" for most of us to come into the stature of our Father. of course this also explains the vast difference in maturity levels of humans here on earth. maturity is progressive. so with the variations of age of the spirit comes varying degrees of maturity in the flesh..
Yes, Jesus almost always gave the illness of anybody whom he cured into
connection with some sins of his.
Can you explain me why?
Bye from Czechia
Bob L.
Cause & Affect.
What goes around, comes around.
Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
would it be because the illness was the result of that sin that He mentioned?
Bob, thanks again for writing, please stay in touch :) Noah
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Aug 18, 1999
Noah,
Glad to see MD (Mikkel Dahl) writings get on the web.
Actually I have read them before. There may be some on your site which I
have never read. I will look again soon I hope.
Peter
P.S. I do not think it wise to predict that the y2K problem will be the big fulfillment of the begining of the Day of Jehovah-Jesus. But it is generally good to point out to people that the "millenium" is the Lord's Day. Thanks!
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Dear Noah,
I was on your site this morning, checking out the "Non-Orthodox"
side of Christianity.
I found the Hell articles interesting.
The book: "Heaven & Hell" also caught my attention, in fact I am
considering ordering it through email, so if you don't mind, can
you inform me on how this is done.
Yours,
Mike
Hi Mike,
thank you for your interest :)
are these ideas new for you or have you been "straying" for awhile?
are you interested in receiving the physical book? or do you want to have the electronic version emailed over ?
Mike #2
Not a bad question, I have had a rocky road religious wise.
1. Although I went to a Catholic Grade School I was not a good Catholic.
To be honest, I stayed away from any group that was a spin-off of the
WCG, because I no longer trusted the so-called "Higher-Ups". I took my
search to Orthodox Christianity, and although I have accepted much of
their teachings I still want to prove things to myself. So, now that I
have a computer & web access I am searching and reading and searching.
I hope this hasn't dragged-on, but, you asked, :-)
I am not sure which way would be best yet, I have to think on it, but I
am interested & I will be in touch.
Greetings Noah,
2. After Catholic Grade School I went to a God-less Public School, and
began my God-less life. (ages: 14 to 29).
3. I then found myself being moved to watch some of those TV Ministers,
(not the Health & Wealth type), at which time I stumbled across the World
Tomarrow Program in 1986.
4. I joined the Wordwide Church of God in October/November of 1989, after
reading their magazines for 3 years. I was baptized March 28, 1992, it
was a very special step for me.
5. 1993, The WCG changed its view on the Trinity, which caused me more
confusion than I could imagine, and to a point, it still does. But I
stayed because we were Brain-washed into thinking that Only those who
were in the WCG were Truly the Only Christians. aaaaahhhhhh!
6. 1995, OH-Crap! The Do-Do Hits The Fan...I Truly say that if God had
not given me the sense of humor that I have I would have gone MAD. I
left the WCG in 1996 in search for some answers to all the questions that
I had.
Yours,
Mike.
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14 July, 1999
Scott Danner
> You mentioned to look and see what the Bible says instead of running off to
your Pastor and the like. Well, I have a question for you. Do you take the
seventy weeks as days = years philosophy and versus like Rev 11:3, Rev 12:6
and the like for actual days.
I think this comes from Hebrew tradition, and an understanding the has been picked up from them.. I'm not 100% sure on that.
What tells you that those days should be days and the seventy weeks be days = years
the 1260 days would appear to be His attempt to get the simple across. no fluff, no confusion (until the "teachers" get ahold of it). I don't do well with mysteries anymore - I am now of the understanding that my father has the ability to simply say what He means (and mean what He says)!
How do you know that 1260 days as mentioned in the Bible is 3 1/2 years.
take 1260 divided by 3.5 and you get 360 - pretty close... or 1260 divided by 365 gives 3.45 - either way.
isn't it interesting to see that 1260 from Nisan 10 is the Feast of Trumpets!!!???
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I have the same question about time, > times and half times.
seems to be His poetic way to REPEAT what He had just now said.. have you seen how He did that in the psalms? says things twice.. kinda "sing-song" or 'poetic'
Noah
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June 23, 1999
Hi Noah,
I enjoyed your Web site and much of your message. I feel you are very
aware of how man's dogmas and creeds are still being perpetuated in most of
today's Churches. Just as our nation's laws and government might be more
'moral' and just if the majority of people took an interest in our leader's
actions and passing of unjust legislation, so likewise, if most so-called
Christians who attend Church would study to check out whether their Pastor
was teaching God's Word, or man's word, then this nation would be closer to
the original state that God intended for His creation. Our Father tells us
that this is not to be in His Word, for He is allowing Satan control over
this world, so that God can test His children to see if they love Him, or
Satan (see Judges 2 & 3).
It is necessary for me to make remark about the parable of the 'tares'
that Jesus gave in Mark 13. There is yet a deeper message that you may, or
may not be aware of. The word 'seed' Jesus used in referring to the 'good
seed', etc., and later when declaring the parable to His disciples within
that same chapter, is 'sperma' in the Greek New Testament manuscripts.
Elsewhere, as in Mark 4:26 and Luke 8, the word 'seed' is 'sporos' in the
Greek, meaning a 'casting or sowing of seed in the ground'. So with this
distinction made by our Savior in the Greek, He is telling us of a literal
physical 'seed', not a plant seed in Mark 13. There are other important
places in scripture that verifies this idea, it is not a doctrine of man.
The first reference to a literal physical flesh offspring of children of
the 'wicked one', i.e., Satan, which occurs in God's Word, is Gen.3:15.
Other proof out of our Lord's Mouth of this idea can be found in John 8,
and Rev.2:9, and Rev.3:9. Also, you will not find Cain listed in the
geneaology of Adam. If you dig in a King James Version of 1611 using a
Strong's Concordance Dictionary, taking those verses back to the Hebrew and
Greek, this idea becomes the main message our Father is imparting to us.
The word 'sperma' is where we get our word 'sperm' in the English, so that
there would be no mistake what He was talking about. The problem is that so
many Christians are still sucking on the 'milk bottle' after baptism, when
they should be on the 'meat' of God's Word (see Hebrews 5). Many of those
think that serving God is to never feel righteous indignation, when Christ
Himself became 'angry' (He used a 'cat of nine tails, i.e., a whip, to
drive out the moneychangers from His Temple), those deceived are always
saying niceties and pleasantries, and never digging deep into our Father's
Word for themselves, but sucumbing to a 'fantasy' existence, instead of
being of 'full age', or a mature disciple of Christ, strong in the spirit,
ready for anything Satan can throw at them. Probably one of the most useful
deceptions taught by Satan today, is the educating of many Christians in
learning popular 'slogans', treating God's Word like an advertising agency
selling His Heaven. Since these don't study The Word for themselves, hence
they don't know what It really says, and thus it becomes easy for them to
take a verse or two, quoting verbatim from our Father's Word, and still be
totally ignorant of the message contained within It, turning verses into
popular slogan-fests.
Peace be with you in Christ,
Word Alpha Omega at: "http://members.tnns.net/wordweb"
Dave
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26 May, 1999
Hello. I was visiting your web sight and I have a question. I don't mean to start right out with this or seem crude but I've been celibate for 4 1/2 yr. which has increased my spirituality and understanding tremendously.
wow, good for you! I can imagine. I pray the Lord fills all your needs :)
At one point you were talking about spilling/wasting a mans seed...well I'm a female...so when a women has her menstrual period is she wasting a potential life?
Well, it is not a CHOICE for her - pregnancy is really the only 'choice' she has in controlling her seed (although it is a factor . The human male appears to be the only known physical being who has FULL CONTROL over his life seed. ALL OTHERS appear to be under the curse of forced seed loss:
Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that [9] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.
And if she were to masturbate she doesn't waste any potential life.
Almost a different issue. The orgasm - "the Big O" - is one of those ways that we try to steal a little piece of heaven - a counterfeit one!!! (along with drugs, sports, money, etc) Since the first will be last and the last will be first, it would appear that those who REFRAIN from the "quick trip to paradise" here on earth, and postpone those "short trips" to "O", then a far grander trip to a more permanent PARADISE will be in store... just a thought I had..
So how does that work with a female. Or does it not work for her in the same way
Sister, that is truely one $64,000 question. there is a most dear sister who has been involved with these teachings for over 20 years. she too has remained completely faithful to Jesus.. I asked her essentially the same question. she simply smiled and said that it was up to Jesus to work out the details. she is steadfast in her stand for Jesus. may the Lord Jesus lift you with the strength to maintain you for His Highest purposes for your life :)
Do you remember 1 Tim 2:15 says that "she shall be saved in childbearing", which seems to link with "redeeming" that which was going to be lost - the female seed..
(she was taken from Adams rib)?
Thank you for your time.
Candra
Sincerely,
I probably need to post a page about that subject. in a nutshell, Adam was originally both sexes in one body. a hermorphadite - both in one. In other words, Adam could (and did) reproduce by himself (probably that mysterious group of "sons of God" mentioned in Gen 6:2). (God is a spirit, and He too has this characteristic - phooey on anyone who teases about mother god and father god - He's a spiritual hermorphadite.) anyway, when God put Adam to sleep, He removed Adam's SIDE - HIS FEMALE SIDE!!! he took the tendencies and characteristics of Adam's "female" side and formed a whole new body to house these characteristics. no wonder He says that the 2 will unite and become ONE...
Candra, thanks for writing. to be honest, I've not seen such a well thought out and intelligent and honestly asked question. may Our Lord Jesus bless you in every area for pursuing Him with such fervor :)
His Best To You
Noah